Dr Wayne W. Dyer

Where the Hell is Wayne, Doreen?

Dr Wayne W. Dyer

Dr Wayne W. Dyer has been my hero since I was ten years old. I found his book ‘Your Erroneous Zones’ in my family home and read it over a period of a few nights. I remember lying in bed reading and being filled with light and hope by the power of his words. I remember the period that followed… I was as happy as I had ever been between the ages of ten and 12, and much of it was thanks to being able to meet the challenges of my abusive home environment strengthened by Wayne’s wisdom.

After many twists and turns on my life’s journey, I came across the book ‘The Lightworker’s Way’ by Doreen Virtue when I was in my early 30’s. I found it comforting since I had come out of organised religion a few years prior to coming across Doreen’s work.  It offered a way for me to connect with the Divine without the side order of shame and guilt that comes with judgmental traditional Christianity.

After Doreen Virtue’s recent conversion to organised religion in the form of Christianity, I felt compelled to write a letter Hay House, the publishing company behind Doreen Virtue. I wanted to write to them, not because I was unhappy with Doreen becoming a Christian (that is her personal choice and none of my business) but because of how she had handled going public with her conversion and denunciation of her former work.

Her way of handling things made many of her students doubt the value of their learning experience and in particular the worth of their (expensive) certificates. Many of us wanted answers directly from Doreen but found ourselves blocked, our questions deleted and replaced with gaslighting statements by Doreen, referring to us as being ‘used by lower energy.’

Dear Felicia,

It is with a heavy heart I write to you this morning concerning recent events around your bestselling author and spiritual teacher Doreen Virtue. I have followed her work for many years and paid hundreds of pounds for certification classes with her. I am profoundly unhappy with the unprofessional manner in which she has dealt with her conversion experience from a business point of view.

Of course she has every right to have a change of heart (and tap into a new market doing so)… However, I would truly appreciate if someone could explain to me why she feels it appropriate to publicly denounce many of the things she has taught in the past, thus effectively sabotaging the efforts of her students to build a business around the certifications she/you have issued. Not only that but she is now referring to those of us who are unhappy and speaking out about it as being used by ‘lower energy entities’ – copied and pasted from her FB page:

“The lower energy sees that I’m in a position where I could introduce a lot of people back to Jesus, and the lower energy is furious about this. So it is attacking me, including finding people to attack me. I appreciate those of you who are praying for me.”

It saddens me to see how passive Hay House has been through all of this and how little care there seems to be for the students who have received certificates through your organization.

It frankly disgusts me that she is claiming to be worse off financially just because she is donating the income stream from her Tarot decks to Hay House charities (making herself out to be some kind of saint/martyr). We, her former students, are not idiots and we are the ones who have lost out in all of this. The fact that she states that the money from her Tarot sales now goes to charity doesn’t change that she is still wealthy from the sales of many of the products and classes she is now so disgusted by. She will be continue to be very well off from the income stream she generated via teachings she now feels a need to denounce in public.

Also, don’t you feel it is a bit patronizing of her to claim that the reason she isn’t pulling the products she has now denounced all together is because you, i.e. Hay House, are dependent on the income stream from those products? Are you really that co-dependent with someone who can’t stand completely in their own truth?

Good luck with keeping her on. Personally, I predict another change of direction soon with a complete lack of credibility as a result (as if things aren’t bad enough). You’re better off preparing yourself now and doing something about this mess.

Sincerely,

Lisa

This is the reply I received from Hay House Affiliate Marketing:

Hello Lisa,

Thank you for reaching out with your concerns. Hay House respects everyone’s right to choose their own spiritual path and follow their own inner guidance. Doreen is walking the path of non-judgment as she believes Jesus teaches us to do. She has not denounced her past work but is choosing to go in a new direction for the future. We feel that her past work still has a place in the world and that many people may find her earlier teachings helpful on their own individual spiritual path. Her products will still be sold on Hay House’s website and all of her online courses are still valid as are the certifications. Also, the Facebook groups will remain open as well.

Radleigh Valentine will be continuing his work within the new age community on a lot of the topics that both he and Doreen had taught in the past. He and Doreen are still great friends.

Per your request, we can close down your affiliate account with Hay House. We wish you the best in all your endeavors.

All The Best,

Felicia Winfield
Affiliate Marketing Specialist
Hay House, Inc.

To which I simply replied:

Thanks for your reply but you didn’t address any of my concerns. 

The latest turn of events (which I predicted!) is that not only does Doreen denounce her former work very openly to other Christians, referring to it as coming from lower energy/demons (brushed over completely by Hay House)… She has now turned on former Hay House colleague Wayne Dyer. The screenshots below are from the FB group New Age to Christian Recovery Group (shared by a friend):

Doreen Virtue basically saying that Wayne Dyer is now in hell

Perhaps Hay House will finally listen and understand how utterly bonkers things have gotten. And in case there is any doubt which type of generally hateful and demonising of other religions type of Christianity Doreen is now preaching wherever she thinks the New Age world does not have eyes and ears, this is Doreen Virtue’s top tip on how to get others ‘saved’… (CLICK HERE for the WikiHow link she refers to). To save you time, I can tell you that there is a lot of talk of sin and death everlasting unless you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour. This is obviously what she thinks Wayne Dyer needed.

Doreen's salvation message

Interestingly, when Steve Bancarz tried to get Doreen to confess that she had been in a state of serious conviction of her own past sins, she denied him the pleasure. She squirmed in her seat and said she didn’t like the world ‘sin’ but yes, she had been under conviction that Christ was the only way forward… so it seems that to Doreen, ‘sin’  is something that applies to others, not to her.

Please use your discernment. I’m not judging Doreen here, I am sharing the facts about what unfolded since her conversion and how she is trying to gain a new following, while referring to her former followers as basically demon possessed. She is the one passing judgment – first on the whole New Age movement, then on her former students who have concerns about the validity of their certificates and now on the late former Hay House colleague Wayne Dyer who is a true saint as for as I am concerned.

If you want Doreen to be held accountable for passing judgment on Wayne Dyer, please tweet…

Where the Hell is Wayne, Doreen? @DoreenVirtue Click To Tweet

It is clear that she believes neither Wayne or Louise Hay, founder of Hay House publishing, is in heaven…

Louise Hay in hell or purgatory according to Doreen Virtue

Just to be clear, if anyone from HH publishing is reading this… These screenshots keep coming to my inbox and personal FB page from all over the world. Think about that for a minute.

 

Love,

Lisa

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  1. Oh my! Of all the people on the planet, I think Louise Hay had one of the highest vibrations! I don’t think we need to pray for her soul. More like the other way round. 🙂

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  2. OMG. Praying for Wayne and Louise in that way!!??!! She can’t hold a candle to those two! This is truly repulsive!
    When I saw her talking about her Jesus experience she seemed honest though it seemed strange and confused (and usually people have an experience and then they start looking for a church, not the other way around). I thought it might be a mix of honesty and ..something else. But now I am starting to wonder, it seems like she is saying something totally different to these fundie Christians, that means she is flat out lying to the rest of us, there is no other word for it. And her fundie responses you screen grabbed also come across as manipulative and insincere, ingratiating and at the same time cleverly just stopping short of saying things clearly.
    And what kind of intelligent person says she feels peaceful and happy now that she thinks that hell and demons and damnation and a punishing Jesus are not metaphorical but real? Either she is insincere or she is a sociopath, seriously, the intelligent people I know of who went fundie became grim and intense (and strange), not happy. (I am not talking about simple people who just don’t understand all the ramifications of the idea of an all powerful God who creates hell etc they can feel happy simply because somebody tells them they are saved)
    I am starting to think HH and Radleigh are so vague and non responsive because Doreen is basically telling them lies too, and they don’t know what to think either!
    I am glad you have unearthed these things! Keep up the good work! Truth and accountability are necessary for a loving and peaceful community. Covering up shadiness in the name of love and peace will only attract more shady “gurus” and “teachers”, the fact that Doreen Virtue is a big name shouldn’t exempt her.

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      Thank you SeaDream, your thoughts mirror mine completely. I appreciate your support and this, long thoughtful comment. If not for support like this I wouldn’t have the strength to keep going. Blessings

  3. Omg at praying for Louise Hays soul! I always find these kinds of comments so disrespectful. It kind of implies that the particular soul is some how doomed without Christian intervention…I loved Doreen but she’s getting on my tits now. And is it just me or does her whole conversion feel somehow like a fad? I dunno, just seems pretty late in life to have a complete turn faith-wise, I mean it does happen, but not usually from a peaceful new-age style of living to being all fire-and-brimstone. I don’t think this will last. In two years she’ll prolly be back on the New Age wagon because I feel like she’s never been really secure in her beliefs.

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  4. I think that everyone has the right to find and follow his path, whatever this path could be. For me, it’s about to improve myself, be kind with myself and others (but not taking shit) and focus on the positive side of the life. That doesn’t mean that everything is beautiful (it isn’t) and I don’t want to repress any emotions, just accept and integrate them. As human beings I think that we have a lot of layers. I just want to see everything as a possible lesson to be learned. Even if I don’t consider myself as a Catholic anymore, I’ve always appreciated Jesus as a spiritual master (not the only one master), because he spoke about love and self awareness. He didn’t truly judge anyone and he accepted his fate, in a human way.
    What I have been witnessing in this days has nothing to do with Jesus and his message. We’ve already told it a lot of times. You can’t follow a path because of fear. Jesus wasn’t afraid of nothing. He couldn’t want you to do something because you are afraid of him/hell.
    I know that when times are difficult (generally or personally), someone could take comfort in the so called organized religions. They give you protection, they make you feel welcomed and they give you an already decided set of values. Life is easy. You are not alone – if you strictly follow their rules – and white is white and black is black. But I also know that strong people find the strenght to follow their truth and path also through difficult times, without needing to have a strong group at their back.
    All that said, she can do whatever she wants, at this point, but I can’t accept she judges the path of someone who can’t express their opinions, such as Louise Hay and Wayne Dyer. It’s a lack of respect. And how can she know they are not in Heaven? Jesus told her? At this point it looks like that the world is divided in “Jesus lovers” (not every Jesus lovers, only whom her group accepts) and devils. Quite reductive and self centered, doesn’t she think? There is an entire world outside the group of her new friends.

  5. Thank you Lisa – I blogged about this on my Facebook page and my website as well but it seems each new day brings out new stuff – her implying Wayne and Louise Hay may not be in “Heaven” is very upsetting.

    I took her angel certification summer of 2014 and honestly didn’t feel I’d gotten much from it other than being able to say I was certified. I’ve been doing readings longer than Doreen has been popular lol. What she does has no effect on me or my business. However her denouncing Tarot and ascended masters and mediumship has me furious and Hay House should clearly think about stepping away from her. I have blogged I wouldn’t purchase classes, books or cards with her name on it at all. No one cares if she goes the Christian Route and this all could have been handled much better.

    Unfortunately I think this is all about selling more stuff -people will buy her current products before they are discontinued and now she has a huge new born again Christian market. I honestly think she had taken the angels and her previous work as far as it could go (obvious by the fact all her new work was just a repeat of the old said in a new way) and this is a way to open a new market up and maybe sell off old products too.

    I have no respect for her in the deleting of comments – her fb page is full of praise so I knew they were scrubbing her page and comments about dark energies is ridiculous unless she is speaking about herself.

    I tried to be very non judgmental about her conversion and I really just didn’t care until she brought in Wayne Dyer and Louise Hay and I’m upset for those who spent hundreds and thousands in her course work and products. Hay House needs to reconsider their backing of Doreen.

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      You’re welcome, Nancy -‘No one cares if she goes the Christian Route and this all could have been handled much better’pretty much sums it up! Blessings, Lisa

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  6. Our reactions are never about the words that someone says. It isn’t about the other person at all. Our reactions are based on something that has been triggered within us. With the news of Doreen, I sense feelings of abandonment & shame. I send you love and hope you find peace within your own truth.

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      Dear Darla, your sensometer is broken. I have no feelings of abandonment and shame. I am completely centred in my truth and filled with divine peace. Blessings to you!

    2. Sure reactions tells us something about the person reacting. If somebody reacts strongly to lies and deceptive behaviour it tells us that this person feels strongly about truth and the need for honesty.
      It is often as simple as that.
      Be careful, don’t be too enamored by this “reactions tells us something about the person who is reacting” , it is often used to gaslight and to avoid talking about a serious topic!

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