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Why is Doreen Virtue teaching women to submit?

wife submit to your husband doreen virtue

ETA 7/10 Doreen denies writing about women submitting on her page

In this ‘Mornings with the Lord‘ video from 6 November 2017, Doreen slams my blog claiming I’m writiting about her because my blog is monetised. I plan a separate post on this because I want to stay on topic. This is the new edited text for her Archangel Michael page:

“All holy angels are ranked and submit themselves to God’s authority.  Submission here being an honor that gives power and strength; never taking it away.”

Apparently she never wrote the words in the screenshot and she missed them out when she was proofreading what went on her site. What kind of proofreading is that then? Missing a type or two… Sure (I do that all the time!) but this…?? Sounds like she is submitting to the will and outrage of the public if you ask me. Mission accomplished.

Doreen Virtue’s Newfound Misogyny

What is happening? Former assertiveness coach Doreen Virtue is now teaching women to submit to their husbands. The screenshot above is from the Archangel Michael Page on Doreen’s Angel Therapy website. What happened to bring this radical change about? Does Doreen Virtue actually believe in this… or is there something more sinister going on? Is she being manipulated by a strong male influence?

Female Submission and the LGBTQ Community

As someone with close family ties to members of the LGBTQ community, I found Doreen’s comment worrying, not just because it turns the clock back 150 or so years for women… It also endangers already vulnerable members of the LGBTQ community and does nothing for gay marriage equality. I tried asking Rad about this since he will be on stage with Doreen in only one month’s time as part of this event. He did not reply.

radleigh valentine question about submission and lgbtq marriage equality

Continued Hay House Censorship

And what is happening with Hay House using censorship to prevent this from coming out? Since Rad declined to comment, I tried asking about these new teachings on the Hay House Australia Facebook page. Not only did I not get a reply but my comments were deleted and I was blocked. Ursula Clarke tried asking why I had been blocked which resulted in her getting blocked too.

Ursula Clarke asking why Hay House blocked me and deleted my comments

How do you feel about religious female submission? Someone piped up to defend Doreen Virtue and said she too likes ‘a strong man’ and didn’t see anything wrong with this.

My reply:

How can you even begin to equate a strong male presence with submission to one’s husband? How about two strong presences instead – one male and one female, without the submission aspect? No? Because that sounds a hell of a lot healthier to me. It’s one thing to choose to be submissive (emotionally/sexually, whatever…) and another to have someone preach at you that you have to be.

Others are saying that the word ‘submission’ doesn’t mean what we think it means.

My reply (copied and pasted from the dictionary):

submission
səbˈmɪʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the action of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.
“they were forced into submission”
synonyms: yielding, capitulation, agreement, acceptance, consent, accession, compliance
“an instinctive submission to authority”
2.
the action of presenting a proposal, application, or other document for consideration or judgement.
“reports should be prepared for submission at partners’ meetings”
synonyms: presentation, presenting, proffering, tendering, proposal, proposing, tabling, introduction, suggestion, venturing, broaching, airing, lodgement, positing
“you are required to write a report for submission to the Board”

Boycott Hay House

Isn’t it time Hay House nipped this in the bud? Or are they planning on dragging their own company back in time 150 years too? It would certainly seem so with all the censorship that is going on!

If you are NOT ok with this, please give the post a share, read up on the ongoing boycott and join the Hay House Boycott group on Facebook.

 

Blessed Be!

Lisa

Comments 13

  1. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little. Yield to a SUPERIOR authority? At work, that may be my Director but in life, that is ONLY my GOD. There is NO authority superior to me save the God of my understanding. That does not mean I get to ignore laws or that I get to pick and choose morality based on what is convenient for me. It also does not mean that I can’t learn from persons with knowledge superior to my own. Yield, perhaps, when I am driving so I don’t get smashed up. Hmmm, there’s an interesting correlation… yield so you don’t get smashed up…there’s a relationship I will never again entertain!

    This really makes me sick. If I knew my partner was 110% about my well being, and loved and protected me the way Christ loved the church (us), sure I would yield. But guess what? My love would submit to me too. Cooperation between strong individuals who care for one another is a very different than scraping submission and self devaluation.

    I know I have read that she has read the bible cover to cover, PRIOR to the baptism but the way she is sharing scripture is like she is seeing it for the first time.

    Let me dare to offer up this conjecture. HH knows that many, many people have grown to love and trust DV. They are working out a hand-off of those people to RV. (Not unlike what I tried to do when I left my old job. I wanted my students to know they would still be in good hands). Perhaps after said hand-off, they will wipe hands of their former association with DV? (Wait is Mornings with the Lord published by HH?)

    Ughh, the guessing and theorizing could go on into infinity.

    I love RV. I love his teaching style. I love his passion and enthusiasm for what he does…practices which he has never disavowed. He is also a member of the community my trans son belongs to. But I also get the politics that supporting HH is supporting DV. I have issue with that. I think she has had enough of my support.

    I am going to meditate on this in earnest. I rarely have time to take from my day like that but I feel that now is the time to get some real direction on where my own course of action should lie in this regard.

    Thanks for your post, Lisa. Love you tons!

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      Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, Victoria, I don’t know about RV’s motives because he won’t answer my questions but the fact that he won’t does tell me something… It tells me he won’t do the right thing here – not even with regards to the LGBTQ community in the name of marriage equality. Taking some time out to think things through and come up with a best way forward sounds like a good plan. Glad this post got you thinking. Love you too!

      1. I have been thinking about this for some time, discussing it with Family, church members in fact, talking with friends and working through my own feelings about this.

        And part, a small part, of what I’m thinking is…

        I think of it like this… imagine that you are one of those people who learned from DV and who, in a small way, added to your professional profile from what you’ve learned. That would be you and me. Now imagine that you have a massive audience. And that audience was built for you, in part, by DV. Imagine that her work has helped you to really become free to be yourself and it has also helped you to create wealth and happiness for yourself. And now that woman whose person and teaching has meant all of this to you has decided that that work was worthless and who you are is not okay. Then how would you feel and who might you be?

        I have lots more to share but that is for another post. Love you Lisa, my sis-Star.

        #godl/dess/spiritlovesmytransson
        #iloveeveryonetoo #keepitrealpeople #isubmittogodalone #ogsnapineedtoremovehhcertsfrommywebsite

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          Definitely worth thinking about and thanks for sharing your thoughts, Victoria. It was different for me. I was already working as a professional Tarot reader and metaphysician before I got any of the certifications… which I subsequently realised really didn’t add anything to my business in terms of clients and increased income because my clients never cared about certs… And yes, many moons ago, reading the Lightworker’s Way was a sort of home-coming so I’d be lying if I’d say she didn’t influence my path in any way… It definitely felt like she had our back as Lightworkers using Tarot and divination tools. And now she doesn’t hough we are the reason for her massive fortune. She has such total lack of humility that she points a finger and refers to us as being possessed by lower energy. She claims to be non-judgmental and with the same breath refers to OT verses that make it sound as if we are all ‘detestable to the Lord’… It’s the duplicity and lack of humility I can’t abide. I don’t need her. I know I’m strong enough to stand on my own two feet. And I’ll be there for anyone who struggles to come to terms with all that has happened because I see CLEARLY that she is not being fair to her former students.

        2. I agree completely, Lisa. I enjoyed a couple of her classes because, at the time, they cemented a lesson in self-trust that I was already learning. But, like you, my practices were already my own and the folks I work with care more about the quality and consistency of my character than my certs.

          In the second illustration I used, I was referencing what I imagine RV is going through. But I am not in his mind and am probably out of line for even attempting to guess how he may feel. Yet, based on the lack of info from him, guessing is all we can do.

          I think that many felt DV made it okay to be a Christian who utilized pagan practices. She presented a glittered hodgepodge of catch-all spirituality. But now the glitter has faded. Discard your figurines save for Jesus and Mary and, for Gods’ sake, put those Tarot cards away.

          For students who really felt like this teacher was sent to them by Spirit, who would have followed her anywhere, and oftentimes did, I can’t say enough how much I know their pain. (Not due to DV but a spiritual teacher in my distant past. Talk about gas-lighting! The situation was BAD and I was only 19). I think the only right thing to do is to support the people who are suffering that pain. And I believe you are doing it well. I also agree it is a terrible shame to name-call, demean, and condemn ones former students, merely because they are no longer where you are. We all have our own paths.

          Those truly “possessed of a lower energy” tend to blame others for their issues. (Sound like someone we know?) Is it lower to ask “why?” Is it “lower” to question why that teacher has suddenly abandoned you when they had previously promised to be in it for the long haul? Absolutely not. The bible doesn’t say it is and neither do I. And I know where you sit on the issue, my friend.

          Thank you for continuing to support those who are suffering from this and for giving them a voice when they might not otherwise have one.

  2. I do not agree with censorship of any kind. We all have something to offer and picking and choosing what an individual is able to communicate or express goes against everything the universe intended. Negative or positive there is always only love and truth, and what is your truth is not necessarily someone else’s. I don’t know of Doreen or her teachings, but I know a little about what happened from your other posts. I don’t follow the Bible anymore or the teachings that I did for more than half of my life. The only thing I wanted to add the conversation was about the word ‘submission’ or the act of being submissive, and how I view the word.
    I believe that we are one, all connect to a greater source, a higher power….I read a book one time about Rumi. It was a fictional novel but it was a representation of Rumi’s 40 Rules of Love. There was a passage in the book that I wrote down and come back to often. The passage said this
    “… our ego conditions us to think being submissive is a weakness, but it actually takes greater strength. It is a form of peaceful acceptance of the terms of the universe, including things we are currently unable to change or comprehend.”
    Through submission, I find my serenity, through serenity I find love. Does that mean I allow other people to exert authority over me, try to overpower me, or use me? Absolutely Not. Finding the love in a person who has buried it deep within themselves normally repels them from you.
    In what I believe, Doreen isn’t using the word in the proper context. Even the dictionary defines the word in a obscure way (if that is right word.) Even the very definition of the word Love is corrupted. You know what LOVE is, We all know what Love is, we just forget, or have forgotten. I know this be way off topic, but I was eating lunch, checking my email and I read your post. When I hear submission, I hear peaceful acceptance. Husband, wife, mother, father, son, daughter, these labels mean nothing because under it all we are all Love.

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      I’m trying very hard to bite my tongue and not say thank you for the mansplaining… but that is how what you just said here feels to me, Barry – I have to be honest. How most people take the word submit is NOT how you described the word. You have re-defined it on your own spiritual terms and it is not really relevant to this discussion because to submit means exactly what the dictionary says it means to most people. Perhaps try putting yourself in the shoes of the oppressed…? Women STILL earn less than men. Not acknowledging misogyny and patriarchy’s influence on religion is simply not helpful if we wish to move forward to greater equality.

      1. I am a female. With a male sounding name….. I didn’t intend to ‘mansplain’. I am sorry that it came off like that. I was just offering a different point of view. Personally,(and I know all females do not feel like this) paying me the same pay as man doesn’t influence my self worth. How society views me doesn’t make me any less or more of person. I made a choice a long time ago to leave organized religion for the very reason of misogyny. That is just a small part of who I am….. Your community is lucky to have as an advocate. Again, I am sorry for the misunderstanding….. I know people don’t see things the way that I do, I acknowledge that my interruption of the word ‘submit’ is not orthodox. I wish you the very best.

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          No worries. I’m sorry for using the term mansplaining and for making assumptions. All the very best to you as well 🙂

  3. Hay House promotes products that help empower people and enhance wellness. Female submission is not good for anyone involved and very much abused. As far as the woman who likes her strong man, that is her choice and her business, not to be forced on everyone. It is not a good example for children to witness either as it can be easily misconstrued and lead to in healthy relationships for them in the future too. I can give many examples but will spare everyone, other than to say your view of a healthy relationship is mine also.

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